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of romney-ryan and obama-biden. that's what we're debating tonight. >> why do people watch a vice presidential debate? do they watch it for a policy debate, or do they watch it to see can these guys become president of the united states? >> this stuff is always anecdotal. it's like sports. people have an opinion out of these debates. i think about it more as this month. these few weeks, the debate phase of the campaign. up until now, the entire campaign is about tv ads, surrogates arguing on televis n television, media pundits providing the analysis. and what was striking about last week's debate between governor romney and president obama, first time 90 minutes unfiltered, these two men going face to face, challenging one another. that's what this is about. it's just about suddenly we get to see the two leaders, in this case, the two vps. >> sort of philosophical. just part two of this philosophical debate. >> correct. it's the only moment in the campaign. last week 70 million viewers. this week, who knows how many
of romney-ryan and obama-biden. that's what we're debating tonight. >> why do people watch a vice presidential debate? do they watch it for a policy debate, or do they watch it to see can these guys become president of the united states? >> this stuff is always anecdotal. it's like sports. people have an opinion out of these debates. i think about it more as this month. these few weeks, the debate phase of the campaign. up until now, the entire campaign is about tv ads, surrogates...
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that's not where mitt romney is. so poor paul ryan. he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. >> don't forget big bird there, jonathan. remember governor romney did give us a specific, he's going to get rid of big bird. >> that's impressive. ari, for sheer bravado in the absence of any details, paul ryan surely wins the oscar because he claims six studies prove that their 20% tax cut will be revenue neutral and won't increase the deficit. but i have to tell you, three of those six studies were blog posts or op-eds and one of them was paid for by romney for president, inc. that's the most elegant mendacity i've ever seen, isn't it? >> i would love to have their campaign promote my blog. if each post is a study, you can really get on a roll there. i'm really glad you're spotlighting this, martin, because this is the biggest problem they have on the domestic front. they've outlined these 20% cuts for everyone, that's a 20% cut in taxes for the 1%, and then they've said but don't worry, it's not really going to cut the taxes on the ric
that's not where mitt romney is. so poor paul ryan. he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. >> don't forget big bird there, jonathan. remember governor romney did give us a specific, he's going to get rid of big bird. >> that's impressive. ari, for sheer bravado in the absence of any details, paul ryan surely wins the oscar because he claims six studies prove that their 20% tax cut will be revenue neutral and won't increase the deficit. but i have to tell you, three of those...
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romney said today under duress that the romney/ryan position is the romney/ryan position, there's no difference between them. and he said you'll hear more about it at the vice presidential debate tomorrow. i bet you will. joining us now is steve kornacki, co-host of "the cycle." thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> the democrats have been aggressive in driving their campaigning on this issue, because they think that's a key issue for locking up the women's vote. with this walkback, this attempted and failed walkback that happened within the last 24 hours from the romney campaign, do you think that's going to have an impact there? >> yeah. there's some interesting data that came out in the last few days which i think is what was initially behind what mitt romney said, taking a more moderate position on abortion. first you had this poll that came out in ohio, showing obama ahead of romney by four. the gender gap in this thing was astounding. among men, romney had a 16-point lead in ohio. among women, 60-38, obama. that is like a 38-point gender gap. i have not seen someth
romney said today under duress that the romney/ryan position is the romney/ryan position, there's no difference between them. and he said you'll hear more about it at the vice presidential debate tomorrow. i bet you will. joining us now is steve kornacki, co-host of "the cycle." thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> the democrats have been aggressive in driving their campaigning on this issue, because they think that's a key issue for locking up the women's...
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last night mitt romney and paul ryan played to a large crowd in lancaster, ohio. there was a lot of enthusiasm, a lot of excitement in the air. and in large part because they believe the republicans believe they've won these first two debates. governor mitt romney had a pretty strong performance out in denver ten days ago. paul ryan had a pretty solid performance two nights ago down in kentucky. but that excitement and energy notwithstanding there's a lot of work left to be done for this ticket here in ohio. the president still shows a lead here in ohio, even though that lead has been chipped into over the last week or two, by about half in some of these polls. putting mitt romney within striking distance of the president. now, he may still, mitt romney may still have a challenge, a hurdle to clear with some undecided voters here. and that's surrounding this auto bailout. the president of course supported that bailout, pushed it through. the president and his campaign says that bailout saved hundreds of thousands of jobs not just in detroit but here in ohio and el
last night mitt romney and paul ryan played to a large crowd in lancaster, ohio. there was a lot of enthusiasm, a lot of excitement in the air. and in large part because they believe the republicans believe they've won these first two debates. governor mitt romney had a pretty strong performance out in denver ten days ago. paul ryan had a pretty solid performance two nights ago down in kentucky. but that excitement and energy notwithstanding there's a lot of work left to be done for this ticket...
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we're as close as it is. >> ryan, this is a shift actually in the romney/ryan campaign. they've started to use the word capability for the threshold. >> very important. >> that's a very ambiguous standard. they're not saying have nuclear weapons, they're saying the capability. >> everyone should be clear. this is one of the things where there is a policy difference that's being obscured by the rhetoric. the debate largely between the obama administration and netanyahu's folks as far as i can understand as i follow this is the question is the red line a weapon or is the red line a capability. the capability is before actually having a weapon and much more haze zilly defined? is that more or less -- >> that's my understanding. there's a broader sense of whether would an obama administration support israel as opposed to a romney administration? that is a real debate and a real question people are asking. i think if there is one to attack, obama would go along with it in the end. >> the intractability of syria was another issue that was on the table. i think the reason that
we're as close as it is. >> ryan, this is a shift actually in the romney/ryan campaign. they've started to use the word capability for the threshold. >> very important. >> that's a very ambiguous standard. they're not saying have nuclear weapons, they're saying the capability. >> everyone should be clear. this is one of the things where there is a policy difference that's being obscured by the rhetoric. the debate largely between the obama administration and netanyahu's...
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did ryan help maintain the romney momentum? >> this is a classic case where both sides of the aisle people saw what they wanted to see. >> joining me now is brad woodhouse, communications director of the democrat national committee. thanks for joining us today. >> thanks, richard. >> the vice president is being hammered by people who say he was laughing inappropriately, very energetic certainly. smirking, interrupting frequently. let's play some of those moments for our viewers, first. >> under a romney administration, we will have credibility on this issue. >> vice president biden? >> it's incredible. >> thank heaven which have these sanctions in place. >> oh, god. >> it's been discredited by six other studies. over 100 criminal investigations. >> martha. >> go ahead. >> martha, look. >> here is some of what the republicans are saying about the vice president's performance last night. >> reminded me of al gore in 2000 walking over and standing by president bush sort of getting in his space. >> i don't know if he thought this w
did ryan help maintain the romney momentum? >> this is a classic case where both sides of the aisle people saw what they wanted to see. >> joining me now is brad woodhouse, communications director of the democrat national committee. thanks for joining us today. >> thanks, richard. >> the vice president is being hammered by people who say he was laughing inappropriately, very energetic certainly. smirking, interrupting frequently. let's play some of those moments for our...
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reporters asked paul ryan if he's on the same page with romney. >> our position's unified. our position's consistent and that hasn't changed. >> what is your position? >> you'll find -- i'm sure you'll find out in these debates. >> were you upset that he said that to -- >> no, no position change. our position's very consistent. >> romney could only dodge the question so much. the campaign went into full spin mode. romney's spokeswoman, andrea saul, had to mop it up again. she gave a statement to the conservative "national review"." governor romney would of course support legislation aimed at providing greater protections for life." tony perkins got on the phone to say, don't worry, romney made a gaffe, this is not a change of position at all. perkins confirmed the campaign called and assured him romney wasn't changing his support for pro-life issues. romney himself tried to dig himself out of a hole. >> i'm a pro-life candidate and i'll be a pro-life president. the actions i'll take immediately are to remove funding for planned parenthood. >> it's hard to understand how mit
reporters asked paul ryan if he's on the same page with romney. >> our position's unified. our position's consistent and that hasn't changed. >> what is your position? >> you'll find -- i'm sure you'll find out in these debates. >> were you upset that he said that to -- >> no, no position change. our position's very consistent. >> romney could only dodge the question so much. the campaign went into full spin mode. romney's spokeswoman, andrea saul, had to mop...
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now they're trying to blame the romney/ryan ticket for making this an issue. with respect to iraq, we had the same position before the withdrawal which was we agreed with the obama administration. let's have a status of forces agreement to make sure we secure out gains. the vice president was put in charge of those negotiations by president obama and they failed to get the agreement. we don't have a status of forces agreement because they failed to get one. that's what we are talking about. when it comes to our veterans we owe them a great debt of gratitude for what they've done for us includie ining your son,. we also want to make sure we don't lose the things we fought so hard to get. with respect to afghanistan, the 2014 deadline, we agree with the 2014 transition. but what we also want it do is make sure that we're not projecting weakness abroad. that's what's happening here. this benghazi issue would be a tragedy in and of itself, but unfortunately it's indicative of a broader problem. and that is what we are watching on our tv screens is the unraveling o
now they're trying to blame the romney/ryan ticket for making this an issue. with respect to iraq, we had the same position before the withdrawal which was we agreed with the obama administration. let's have a status of forces agreement to make sure we secure out gains. the vice president was put in charge of those negotiations by president obama and they failed to get the agreement. we don't have a status of forces agreement because they failed to get one. that's what we are talking about....
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and paul ryan would do if mitt romney is elected president. mitt romney has placed his arms around it and embraced the paul ryan budget plan and there are a lot of things the president didn't mention joe biden will focus on, starting with medicare. and then the 47% remark. i think you'll hear more about that tomorrow night and in the next debate. the president showed up last week for a news conference asking the questions but he was being presidential and didn't engaged his opponent. mitt romney showed up for a debate. i think the next time you see president obama, he'll come ready for a debate. >> here is he on the tom joyner radio show. he said he was too polite in last week's debate. let's listen to the president. >> i mean, you know, the debate, i think it's fair to say, i was just too polite. because, you know, it's hard to keep on saying what you're saying isn't true. it gets repetitive. the good news is, that's just the first one. >> is that the number one job of the president, to be the fact-checker, or is what you've done the last fou
and paul ryan would do if mitt romney is elected president. mitt romney has placed his arms around it and embraced the paul ryan budget plan and there are a lot of things the president didn't mention joe biden will focus on, starting with medicare. and then the 47% remark. i think you'll hear more about that tomorrow night and in the next debate. the president showed up last week for a news conference asking the questions but he was being presidential and didn't engaged his opponent. mitt...
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i think what he needs to do is tie paul ryan around mitt romney's neck like a mill stone. paul ryan's policies are deadly unpopular and he's basically been allowed to kind of get away with it and paper over what he believes and what mitt romney believes. but paul ryan is just a terrible deficit for the ticket. the other thing is it is a base senator john mccain by 2 to 1 in the margin in the youth vote in this country. it's crucial for the president to get similar numbers this time around if he's going to win the state of florida. of course, to vote they must be registered and voter registration drives have been underway for months. yeah, i'm looking to save, but i'm not sure which policy is right for me. you should try our coverage checker. it helps you see if you have too much coverage or not enough, making it easier to get what you need. [ beeping ] these are great! [ beeping ] how are you, um, how are you doing? i'm going to keep looking over here. probably a good idea. ken: what's a good idea? nothing. with coverage checker, it's easy to find your perfect policy. visi
i think what he needs to do is tie paul ryan around mitt romney's neck like a mill stone. paul ryan's policies are deadly unpopular and he's basically been allowed to kind of get away with it and paper over what he believes and what mitt romney believes. but paul ryan is just a terrible deficit for the ticket. the other thing is it is a base senator john mccain by 2 to 1 in the margin in the youth vote in this country. it's crucial for the president to get similar numbers this time around if...
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whereas romney/ryan want to get rid of that. and in manufacturing you've seen for the first time really in years, a significant increase in manufacturing jobs. ronnellny wants to bring back the outsourcing loophole. in fact his largest donor gets a $2.3 billion tax cut under the romney plan. part of that is that he makes 90% of his money overseas, when you think about the auto recovery, romney and obama were in two different positions. when you look at outsourcing, they're in different positions. in manufacturing. for a lot of parts of virginia that don't get quite as much attention. central and southern virginia, the fact that the president has stood up for american manufacturing has been significant. i think you'll see the gender gap. i think you'll see middle class feeling like romney just wants to rig the system a little too much for the high end. >> tom perriello, former democratic congressman, thank you. we want to note that we did invite a surrogate from mitt romney's campaign to join us later. but no one was available on
whereas romney/ryan want to get rid of that. and in manufacturing you've seen for the first time really in years, a significant increase in manufacturing jobs. ronnellny wants to bring back the outsourcing loophole. in fact his largest donor gets a $2.3 billion tax cut under the romney plan. part of that is that he makes 90% of his money overseas, when you think about the auto recovery, romney and obama were in two different positions. when you look at outsourcing, they're in different...
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obviously, ohio's an important state to the romney-ryan ticket. we expect paul ryan to stick to the standard substance with the five-point plan to put the middle class back to work and also going by the performance last week of governor romney. particular has a couple of events. one here in the at least area and then we're heading off to the detroit area for an afternoon event and don't expect to see him until thursday and sets up the debate against vice president biden and the past couple of days we asked how much is he prepared to meet someone with more experience. he says he knows that vice president biden will come in aggressively and maybe particularly because of the president's performance last wednesday's event in denver and he is reading briefing books, talking about issues around the country and around the world. paul ryan knows that this is a very big week for him. perhaps the biggest of his entire political career. people need to see the american voters watching that debate on thursday and see him in the vice presidential light and prob
obviously, ohio's an important state to the romney-ryan ticket. we expect paul ryan to stick to the standard substance with the five-point plan to put the middle class back to work and also going by the performance last week of governor romney. particular has a couple of events. one here in the at least area and then we're heading off to the detroit area for an afternoon event and don't expect to see him until thursday and sets up the debate against vice president biden and the past couple of...
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but it's a pattern with ryan and romney. he tried to cut veterans benefit 1/1%. when heroes come back, paul ryan was one of only 12 congressmen of 435 that voted against the post-9/11 g.i. bill. >> why is that important? when you have veterans every single day committing suicide because we ask them to take on our safety and we don't cake care of them. you can't have it both was. you can't turn around and criticize when we could do more. >> i hate to interrupt. there's a new ad out today. this one -- it's a positive issues ad about the president. i want to play a clip and talk about it on the other side. take a look, listen to the question. >> few have faced so many. four years later, our enemies have been brought to justice. our heroes are coming home. assembly lines are humming again. >> "time" magazine columnist joe klein wrote earlier this week the president needs to, quote, descend from the mountaintop and make his best case for keeping the job. is this the best strategy shift we're seeing today? >> i think so. he needs to let paem know unlike mitt romney who
but it's a pattern with ryan and romney. he tried to cut veterans benefit 1/1%. when heroes come back, paul ryan was one of only 12 congressmen of 435 that voted against the post-9/11 g.i. bill. >> why is that important? when you have veterans every single day committing suicide because we ask them to take on our safety and we don't cake care of them. you can't have it both was. you can't turn around and criticize when we could do more. >> i hate to interrupt. there's a new ad out...
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what governor romney and what paul ryan have said is let's have a fair flatter simpler more competitive tax code, bring down rates and broaden the base. start to get rid of all the different loopholes and all the different exemptions. and so this is how you can have a tax code again that is fair, flatter, simpler and is revenue neutral, which of course we have now -- there's at least a half dozen economists, economic organizations, who have said this is true. you've had fact checkers with respect to the president's claim that this increases taxers say that's false. it doesn't. so here is the framework and what mitt romney said is i'm willing to work with both sides of the aisle republicans and sdms to get the details right and t president has never worked with republicans. there is no doubt that the president wants to increase taxes on small businesses, the job engine of america. >> i think there's no doubt we just heard a review what have we might hear from paul ryan tonight. congressman, thank you so much. >>> and on that huge garage collapse in florida, authorities say a third constr
what governor romney and what paul ryan have said is let's have a fair flatter simpler more competitive tax code, bring down rates and broaden the base. start to get rid of all the different loopholes and all the different exemptions. and so this is how you can have a tax code again that is fair, flatter, simpler and is revenue neutral, which of course we have now -- there's at least a half dozen economists, economic organizations, who have said this is true. you've had fact checkers with...
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i think what he needs to do is tie paul ryan around mitt romney's neck like a mill stone. paul ryan's policies are deadly unpopular and he's basically been allowed to kind of get away with it and paper over what he believes and what mitt romney believes. but paul ryan is just a terrible deficit for the ticket. the other thing is it is a base election. when we get to this point when we're looking at likely voters, ours are less likely to turn out. they are the young, they are the disadvantaged, they are the new citizens who haven't made a habit of voting. if we see an electorate like in 2008, barack obama wins. if we saw the one from 2010, he loses. so we talk about the independent swing voters all the time but think this is coming back down to the base for both sides. >> i think the obama team has been brilliant on the basics throughout all of this. but one of the basics they can't get away from is the 47% video. i think that is who mitt romney is. and i don't think they can allow him to escape these comments. he said these comments behind closed doors to people he needed
i think what he needs to do is tie paul ryan around mitt romney's neck like a mill stone. paul ryan's policies are deadly unpopular and he's basically been allowed to kind of get away with it and paper over what he believes and what mitt romney believes. but paul ryan is just a terrible deficit for the ticket. the other thing is it is a base election. when we get to this point when we're looking at likely voters, ours are less likely to turn out. they are the young, they are the disadvantaged,...
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already you've got ann romney's latest comments and paul ryan yesterday basically make the assertion that either calling out quote/unquote lies as the president and supporters referred to comments made by ryan during his big speech at the rnc and comments of mitt romney as either unsportsmanlike or in ryan's case, a way to demoralize people because you have no other default argument here. they're trying to counter this. >> right. >> i think we have been challenged on this, as well. you know this. there's a difference between someone's opinion and whether or not someone says a factory closed when it was not. that is not up for opinion. >> right. well, look. this election is the sky's green collection. we have little leverage it feels like to try to set the record straight as fairly as possible and we try to do and everybody's got their own study. everybody's got their own set of facts this time around and, you know, frustrating for those of us trying to get it as close to the truth as you possibly can. >> we'll see vice president joe biden do at least if some of the situations pop up
already you've got ann romney's latest comments and paul ryan yesterday basically make the assertion that either calling out quote/unquote lies as the president and supporters referred to comments made by ryan during his big speech at the rnc and comments of mitt romney as either unsportsmanlike or in ryan's case, a way to demoralize people because you have no other default argument here. they're trying to counter this. >> right. >> i think we have been challenged on this, as well....
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. >> paul ryan was trying to praise romney's career as governor in massachusetts. and biden said, wait a minute he's not even competing there, he can't carry his own state. and the republicans have been making a lot about his bipartisanship. he was able to get along with the democratic legitimate slate stur. the democrats in the legislate stur were far more cooperative with the republican governor than the republicans are today with the democratic president. >> let's turn to the state we can't seem to talk enough about, ohio, the buckeye state. both candidates doing anything they can to win over specifically michael smerkonish, working-class voters in ohio. for romney, that's about calling out obama for being weak on china, this is yesterday. >> we're going to do this, we're going to make sure when people cheat and china has been cheating, we're not going to let it go on. i'm not going to pass it off. on day one i will label china a currency manipulator and we're going to get serious when we make sure that people don't cheat when it comes to trade. >> is that a mes
. >> paul ryan was trying to praise romney's career as governor in massachusetts. and biden said, wait a minute he's not even competing there, he can't carry his own state. and the republicans have been making a lot about his bipartisanship. he was able to get along with the democratic legitimate slate stur. the democrats in the legislate stur were far more cooperative with the republican governor than the republicans are today with the democratic president. >> let's turn to the...
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it is strength in the oval office. >> but one point that biden made, mayor, is calling out ryan and romney, when you hear things like what he was talking about, that there is weakness. do you really want another war? an important question. >> all we see right now is bush-like bluster. that's what we see from them. and it will take us to the exact same place. this contrast in investigations around the original 9/11 attacks, there wasn't openness. there wasn't transparency. there wasn't the kind of honesty. when you look at what we're going through right now, as horrific as it is, we are getting the facts out in two weeks. we're getting it out very quickly. and regarding strength, are you kidding me? the president of the united states through drone strikes and a series of other measures has been stronger than george bush ever was. he is the person, whether you all like it or not, who is the person that brought osama bin laden to justice. that's barack obama. and they may not like his temperament or all of the rest, but alex has to acknowledge, which way would you want this dealt with? the pr
it is strength in the oval office. >> but one point that biden made, mayor, is calling out ryan and romney, when you hear things like what he was talking about, that there is weakness. do you really want another war? an important question. >> all we see right now is bush-like bluster. that's what we see from them. and it will take us to the exact same place. this contrast in investigations around the original 9/11 attacks, there wasn't openness. there wasn't transparency. there...
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so hard -- to hit ryan so hard that mitt romney is going to feel it too. from the sound of it, the vice president seems to be getting his weight up. >> what i've been doing mostly is quite frankly, studying up on congressman ryan's positions. i just want to make sure that when i say these things that i don't have the congressman no, no, no, i don't have that position or that's not the governor's position. so it's mainly getting the factual predicates. >> when it comes to strategy thursday, in this and only this, he may want to steal a move from dick cheney. recall in 2004 when president george w. bush choked in the first of his three debates against john kerry. there was a strong performance against john edwards. cheney took one for the team playing the attack dog and allowing bush to keep his presidential hands clean. although i'd like to see a little more heat from president obama in debate number two, he can still keep it cool and classy while letting biden go all the way off the leash. but even before the first presidential debate, the match-up between
so hard -- to hit ryan so hard that mitt romney is going to feel it too. from the sound of it, the vice president seems to be getting his weight up. >> what i've been doing mostly is quite frankly, studying up on congressman ryan's positions. i just want to make sure that when i say these things that i don't have the congressman no, no, no, i don't have that position or that's not the governor's position. so it's mainly getting the factual predicates. >> when it comes to strategy...
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ryan's debating skills on tuesday. this is mitt romney. take a listen. >> i don't know how paul will deal with this debate. obviously, the vice president has done, it's don't know, 15 or 20 debates during his lifetime, experienced debater. this is, i think, paul's first debate. i may be wrong. he may have done something in high school. i don't know. >> he's just trying to lower the expectations as low as they can go, so if ryan does reasonably well, they can convey he's doing better than expected. it's not true. >> this is a seven-term congressman who does p90x every day, runs marathon -- >> he's debated his opponents many times in wisconsin. >> what's he talking about? >> romney knows that. the big question in this campaign is whether it will catch up to him, is he says whatever is convenient, whatever he can get away with saying. whether on something small like whether paul ryan debated his congressional opponents or on something big like his tax cut. >> indeed. robert, what does paul ryan say when joe bidens, i know you want to privatiz
ryan's debating skills on tuesday. this is mitt romney. take a listen. >> i don't know how paul will deal with this debate. obviously, the vice president has done, it's don't know, 15 or 20 debates during his lifetime, experienced debater. this is, i think, paul's first debate. i may be wrong. he may have done something in high school. i don't know. >> he's just trying to lower the expectations as low as they can go, so if ryan does reasonably well, they can convey he's doing better...
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it's the only real difference between ryan and romney that i can figure and in this case i actually agree with congressman ryan and he had to scrap it and now attack obama for doing what he did. >> sam stein, it seems to be so relaxing to be a former president as opposed to be a president prepping for a debate. the president did score some points on medicare in the last debate and i would expect that would be an area where joe died den wants to go this time? >> yeah. it's an interesting theory to choose paul ryan because they've had some several different plans now. they've gone from a conservative to moderate base. to the extent that biden can tar him or at least tie him to those earlier plans, that will be a success. and that was my past, i'm with the romney ticket now. this is what is at stake here. biden has to perform well because the expectations from the first debate have been lowers and because he needs to make up ground for obama. >> sam stein and jonathan capehart, thank you both. >> thanks, lawrence. >>> coming up, john hodgman who really does know everything will tell us what
it's the only real difference between ryan and romney that i can figure and in this case i actually agree with congressman ryan and he had to scrap it and now attack obama for doing what he did. >> sam stein, it seems to be so relaxing to be a former president as opposed to be a president prepping for a debate. the president did score some points on medicare in the last debate and i would expect that would be an area where joe died den wants to go this time? >> yeah. it's an...
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romney and ryan both want it down at 20%. so there's a clear difference, and they all agree on where it should go. what gets interesting is as you dig into the detail of what gets cut, and you'll see some very, i think, fascinating differences among these guys. so on social security, as you heard president obama say in the last debate, the three guys are actually in the same place. they want to spend the same amount on social security in the next ten years. when you get to medicare, romney and ryan are in the same place, but romney actually a as you also heard him say, wants to repeal the $716 billion. it's actually $900 billion of cuts. he would spend more on medicare than ryan or obama. and then you have obamacare. >> let me ask you really quickly. if anybody has heard, let me know. has mitt romney said what he wants to do with the $716 billion? >> essentially it would be used to get his spending down to that 20% level because you're going to see in a minute, he has a bunch of other places he wants to spend money. >> spend
romney and ryan both want it down at 20%. so there's a clear difference, and they all agree on where it should go. what gets interesting is as you dig into the detail of what gets cut, and you'll see some very, i think, fascinating differences among these guys. so on social security, as you heard president obama say in the last debate, the three guys are actually in the same place. they want to spend the same amount on social security in the next ten years. when you get to medicare, romney and...
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. >> his running mate just dates before, paul ryan directly contradicted romney. ryan said lowering the tax rates was more important than anything else, including getting rid of those deductions to pay for them supposedly. let's watch. >> what's most important to romney, would he scale back on the 20% tax cut for the wealthy? would he scale back and say, okay, we're going to have to raise taxes for the middle class? i guess the question is what's most important to him in his tax reform plan -- >> keeping tax rates down. by lowering tax rates, people keep more of the next dollar they earn. >> that's more important -- >> that's more important than anything. >> in other words, it is, in fact, a tax cut. it's not an offset, a tax cutoff set by deductions. most importantly, it's to get the tax rates down from 35% to 38%. that's the goal he said. ron? >> romney said something interesting in the debate where he basically said nobody can say that my tax cut is going to add to the deficit if i say it won't. well, in fact, everybody who has looked at the plan says it will a
. >> his running mate just dates before, paul ryan directly contradicted romney. ryan said lowering the tax rates was more important than anything else, including getting rid of those deductions to pay for them supposedly. let's watch. >> what's most important to romney, would he scale back on the 20% tax cut for the wealthy? would he scale back and say, okay, we're going to have to raise taxes for the middle class? i guess the question is what's most important to him in his tax...
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joe biden will read ryan's book and go after those entitlements. >> up next, as mitt romney focuses on foreign policy we'll get a reality check on the challenges abroad. [ female announcer ] most whitening strips promise full whitening results in two weeks or more. rembrandt® deeply white™ 2 hour whitening kit is proven to quickly remove surface stains and deep stains in just two hours. [ female announcer ] rembrandt® deeply white™: whiten in just 2 hours. spx tensions are escalating between syria and turkey after another shell landed in turkey today. the turkish military returned artillery fire for the sixth straight day. this is a major flash point. joining me now ambassador ross who held top jobs in three administrations most recently in the obama administration but also for the former presidents bush, one and two, i think. >> bush one, reagan -- yes. >> all the way back. >> you come with bonified credentials in foreign policy. let's talk about what this speech really indicated on syria. it seemed to me what mitt romney presented today was not to directly arm some. he was talk
joe biden will read ryan's book and go after those entitlements. >> up next, as mitt romney focuses on foreign policy we'll get a reality check on the challenges abroad. [ female announcer ] most whitening strips promise full whitening results in two weeks or more. rembrandt® deeply white™ 2 hour whitening kit is proven to quickly remove surface stains and deep stains in just two hours. [ female announcer ] rembrandt® deeply white™: whiten in just 2 hours. spx tensions are...
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asked mitt romney about are even better for ryan. it was paul ryan who was confronted with chris wallace asking him about the math of the budget plan, was the one who said i just don't have time to get into that. joe biden can say, i'd like to give you all the time you need, take all the time you need, congressman ryan, and tell us which deductions you two are going to close. he can confront him on the $716 billion that he also likewise cuts from medicare. >> identical number. >> identical number. that's a wonderful thing to be teed up for vice president biden, and he can also just come at him on the issue of entitlements generally. paul ryan is somebody who apparently saved the survivor benefits that he got from social security, used them to go to a good college, and now has been a long-time advocate of privatizing social security. >> i just wish joe biden would at some point ask the question, why do you right wingers think the way to get rich people to work harder is to give them more money and the way to get poor people to work ha
asked mitt romney about are even better for ryan. it was paul ryan who was confronted with chris wallace asking him about the math of the budget plan, was the one who said i just don't have time to get into that. joe biden can say, i'd like to give you all the time you need, take all the time you need, congressman ryan, and tell us which deductions you two are going to close. he can confront him on the $716 billion that he also likewise cuts from medicare. >> identical number. >>...
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the ryan campaign and romney campaign knows this is coming and looking at romney's performance, it was glib, superficially appealing. he was able to dance around not providing details so i don't know exactly how they do it. i just -- i have a kind of hunch that, you know, they'll find something that paul ryan can say that will, you know, that will get around the criticism that biden's going to come in with. >> on the lowering expectations front, the president came out said and he thinks joe biden is going to be terrific. surprisingly, they're not lowering expectations and i think trying to pump people up a little bit. you could not think of two different sort of political characters than joe biden and barack obama. obama's the deep thinker, the weary warrior. you have the sense in the first debate he didn't want to be there and shouldn't have to go through this. joe biden, on the other hand, i think he loves and embraces the political combat. i think he enjoys it and makes a big difference when you feel like the person on the stage is having fun. >> yeah. >> that makes a huge differenc
the ryan campaign and romney campaign knows this is coming and looking at romney's performance, it was glib, superficially appealing. he was able to dance around not providing details so i don't know exactly how they do it. i just -- i have a kind of hunch that, you know, they'll find something that paul ryan can say that will, you know, that will get around the criticism that biden's going to come in with. >> on the lowering expectations front, the president came out said and he thinks...
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even half as well as mitt romney, they are overestimated or underestimating congressman ryan, i would say if they think he will come out and just throw out a bunch of numbers and stats and not put any hard or skin in the game so to speak. he has won a congressional district because he can relate to people. i think we are going to see some of that behavior if that debate tomorrow night. >> there were critics from the female side of the aisle that there was no conversation, no debate, between mitt romney and president obama about a woman's right to choose. the obama campaign is accusing governor romney of kind of having an etch a sketch moment again about his position. his stance on this because of a recent interview. take a listen. >> there is no legislature with regards to abortion i'm familiar with that -- would become part of my agenda. >> that was with the des moines register. is the romney campaign -- i know that they are trying to walk back this comment as they often do because -- sfamt saying mitt romney is pro-life and will probably be a pro-life president. when they have mitt
even half as well as mitt romney, they are overestimated or underestimating congressman ryan, i would say if they think he will come out and just throw out a bunch of numbers and stats and not put any hard or skin in the game so to speak. he has won a congressional district because he can relate to people. i think we are going to see some of that behavior if that debate tomorrow night. >> there were critics from the female side of the aisle that there was no conversation, no debate,...
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paul ryan, bless his heart, has a harder time lying than mitt romney does. he actually believes in what he has to say which is a fault in some politicians but hopefully he will be able to talk about the issues if he accurately reflects the issues that he and mitt romney can agree on. at least up until recently i think that could be a win for democrats. >> doesn't that really put ryan in a bind, tad, where he has to try and defend the top of his ticket but at the same time protect his own future if, in fact, he's not elected vice president? >> yeah, i think it's very difficult for congressman ryan. he's going to have to lie about two sets of records, not just one. the truth is that the ryan plan, the proposal was being attacked before it was picked. after it was picked, romney affirmed that he would go along with it which includes turning medicare into a voucher program, cuts in education, cuts across the board. if ryan is going to run away from that, i think he's going to have a hard time. joe biden understands these policies. i think he's going to confront
paul ryan, bless his heart, has a harder time lying than mitt romney does. he actually believes in what he has to say which is a fault in some politicians but hopefully he will be able to talk about the issues if he accurately reflects the issues that he and mitt romney can agree on. at least up until recently i think that could be a win for democrats. >> doesn't that really put ryan in a bind, tad, where he has to try and defend the top of his ticket but at the same time protect his own...
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so far the romney and ryan people have not been willing to stand up for the things that they have been espousing a long time. i think there's more pressure on paul ryan than vice president ryan. >> we will be watching your state tomorrow. thanks so much for coming on the program. >> thank you. >> let me bring susan back. you tweeted earlier today the vp debates usually don't matter. but is this one different? >> i think it is a little different. do i. you know, traditionally we pay a lot of attention to the debates. lloyd bentsen putting down dan quayle and became inaugurated as vice president that january. it was dan quayle. this time maybe a little different because this election so close. so newly close. because we have got what i have been calling momentum politics, momentum is on the republican side. can joe biden turn that around in the debate and set a better stage for the second presidential debate that we have next week in new york? >> momentum is so important. i think that -- you know, besides the fact you have two debaters who are both really pretty substantive guys, i mean,
so far the romney and ryan people have not been willing to stand up for the things that they have been espousing a long time. i think there's more pressure on paul ryan than vice president ryan. >> we will be watching your state tomorrow. thanks so much for coming on the program. >> thank you. >> let me bring susan back. you tweeted earlier today the vp debates usually don't matter. but is this one different? >> i think it is a little different. do i. you know,...
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and the problem, you talked about the chameleon nature of mitt romney, paul ryan is not one. he is going to have to hold to these very tough principles. so you're going to have to hear ryan explain his medicare/medicaid policy. and what he has going for him, he didn't seem to do much of a dent, at all. we'll see how the polls go this week. and he is going, president obama, monday, to california for caesar chavez. he signed an executive order to say this is where chavez is buried. it is going to be part of our national park service. >> where -- >> yeah, it is la paz, and he will be there with the widow of caesar cheavez, the widow. and mitt romney screwed up, when he was a let hard on the mexican-american vote. you see president obama making a big play with ken salazar, the hispanic, and the whole clan. watch for the sound bite to be very moving. >> do you think -- >> paul ryan has -- is an intellect, and joe biden is a consummate pro. so i think you will see a really spirited one. so you will have joe biden throwing punches and paul ryan punching back. and in fact, if you're
and the problem, you talked about the chameleon nature of mitt romney, paul ryan is not one. he is going to have to hold to these very tough principles. so you're going to have to hear ryan explain his medicare/medicaid policy. and what he has going for him, he didn't seem to do much of a dent, at all. we'll see how the polls go this week. and he is going, president obama, monday, to california for caesar chavez. he signed an executive order to say this is where chavez is buried. it is going to...
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not a day has gone by without a stop by ryan or romney in the buckeye state. he visited a soup kitchen in youngstown where he held a town hall. romney held rallies in lebanon, ohio. >> i need you to get other people that voted for barack obama to join our team. we need ohio. if we get ohio, we'll be able to take back america. >> but can romney win this election without ohio? this was ohio senator's rob portman's take on sunday. >> look, you can probably win the presidency without ohio but i wouldn't want to take the risk. no republican has. >> well, let's look at the map. we might as well. rob portman asked us to do it so let's do it. let's give the president ohio. that puts him up to 255. the two other states where he's ahead, that means he would win florida, all of the southern states. he's at 248. give him the west, colorado, nevada, he is still short and needs to find seven others. right now the president is ahead in wisconsin and i haven't seen evidence otherwise. the president appears to be ahead in new hampshire. so look what that leaves us. 269. well,
not a day has gone by without a stop by ryan or romney in the buckeye state. he visited a soup kitchen in youngstown where he held a town hall. romney held rallies in lebanon, ohio. >> i need you to get other people that voted for barack obama to join our team. we need ohio. if we get ohio, we'll be able to take back america. >> but can romney win this election without ohio? this was ohio senator's rob portman's take on sunday. >> look, you can probably win the presidency...
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now, they're as a for mitt romney. there's -- people showing up to be for mitt romney and to be against the president. >> well, that's hugely helpful if it lasts. there was a little bit of that when he picked paul ryan. then went away. a little bit of that right after the debate. two more presidential and one vice presidential debate. >> okay. we'll talk about the debate after the break but first we asked you, our trivia question, the first vice president to not become president, the answer, should have gotten this. of course, aaron burr. the nation's third vice president under thomas jefferson and of course remembered for the guy that killed the treasury secretary in the duel. e-mail us for the trivia question. we'll be right back. safe driver, multi-car, paid in full -- a most fulsome bounty indeed, lord jamie. thou cometh and we thy saveth! what are you doing? we doth offer so many discounts, we have some to spare. oh, you have any of those homeowners' discounts? here we go. thank you. he took my shield, my lady. th
now, they're as a for mitt romney. there's -- people showing up to be for mitt romney and to be against the president. >> well, that's hugely helpful if it lasts. there was a little bit of that when he picked paul ryan. then went away. a little bit of that right after the debate. two more presidential and one vice presidential debate. >> okay. we'll talk about the debate after the break but first we asked you, our trivia question, the first vice president to not become president,...
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paul ryan will be campaigning there in the next hour. we'll be watching that. the governor trailing the president. mitt romney is leading in ten of the battleground states in politico's poll. trailing in the washington post political poll. what's your thought? does the governor think he can become the first republican to win without taking ohio? >> we're going to take ohio. the ground game that we put together there is exceedingly doing very, very well in terms of the number of contacts both on the phone and door to door. as you noted, he's been there quite a number of times. i think we continue to make up grounds. some of the polls have it tied. so i think in the final weeks we'll continue to make this about a clear choice in the election and governor romney will take ohio. >> take us into the back room for a second. without ohio you need to run the board here. what are your internals showing on that? how do you get florida and virginia? those are looking good? >> florida and virginia are looking good. nevada is looking great. colorado is looking great. iowa a
paul ryan will be campaigning there in the next hour. we'll be watching that. the governor trailing the president. mitt romney is leading in ten of the battleground states in politico's poll. trailing in the washington post political poll. what's your thought? does the governor think he can become the first republican to win without taking ohio? >> we're going to take ohio. the ground game that we put together there is exceedingly doing very, very well in terms of the number of contacts...
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and as you said, joe biden will sell barack obama, but paul ryan has to sell mitt romney. you can't really sell paul ryan, right? so he has to -- it's going to be interesting to see how well he does that. i think we agree that joe biden will do his job, will go in and will explain all those crucial moments of the obama presidency and how things worked out and what a great guy he is. >> so joe biden, i agree will do his job. joe, do you think that paul ryan will be allowed to do his job? because i think the problem has been that from the moment he was chosen, they then were hiding his signature elements. >> well, paul ryan's not the president. and i think mitt romney said it clearly, i'm the president, paul ryan -- >> so he won't be allowed to do his job? >> no more than somebody you hire as a production assistant is going to tell you what to say on the air. >> well, i will say, he sounds really almost -- he chose his youth when he said mitt romney is the president, and therefore i believe. >> who is he? why was he chosen? because he has incredible, brave ideas. >> hold on.
and as you said, joe biden will sell barack obama, but paul ryan has to sell mitt romney. you can't really sell paul ryan, right? so he has to -- it's going to be interesting to see how well he does that. i think we agree that joe biden will do his job, will go in and will explain all those crucial moments of the obama presidency and how things worked out and what a great guy he is. >> so joe biden, i agree will do his job. joe, do you think that paul ryan will be allowed to do his job?...
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>> paul ryan certainly is a smart guy and i think the real question though for paul ryan is he going to deny some of the things in his budget, that governor romney has -- is he going to be more specific than governor romney wrz in terms of how they're actually going to pay for the tax cuts. and the vice president, he doesn't need advise from me, but he just needs to be himself. he is a son of the middle class, who understands the middle class issues extremely well. >> why do you think he has developed this reputation for, shall we say misspeaking. this is five years ago, before he was vice president, quoting from an editorial that called him a gaff machine. >> vice president biden is just a very real guy, he loves people and he tells it like it is, and sometimes when you tell it like it is and you're not really carefully scripted, all of us say things. i can tell you though, that the real joe biden is extraordinarily grounded in what matters to real people. this is a guy who grew up, a son of a car salesman, you know, grew up in a near wilmington, delaware. a very hard worker, the pe
>> paul ryan certainly is a smart guy and i think the real question though for paul ryan is he going to deny some of the things in his budget, that governor romney has -- is he going to be more specific than governor romney wrz in terms of how they're actually going to pay for the tax cuts. and the vice president, he doesn't need advise from me, but he just needs to be himself. he is a son of the middle class, who understands the middle class issues extremely well. >> why do you...